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So many Internet-lawyers in this thread. It's almost starting to look like the threads of the early 2000's where everyone was an IT-professional.

The bottom line is that some of you do seem to comprehend that having a server that uses bandwidth isn't free, and that administrating such a server is taxing and requires a lot of work.

Some of you understand this and have no issue with some people donating toward that and getting a slot on those servers, or perhaps getting to wear a skin.

Personally I decided to help out with administrating for ZNU, help out the community, and give back to the devs, and 'lo and behold, I got some perks for that.




Some of you on the other hand simply want things for free, do not plan to donate or work for it at all, and are pissed if you don't get what you want for free, now.

And use anything as an excuse or a means to get what you want for free. Basically the leeches of the Internet.



Then there of course is the fact that some admins have setup options to pay for ingame items. I can never say I approve of that. Never liked it in MMO's, nor do I like it here.

And most people seem to be in agreement that this is where the line is drawn.

How exactly is this considered piracy when BI themselves say it's allowed.
 
Once again let me post their TOS
 
 
Please read that VERY carefully.
 
Donations are voluntary, check
Items are all freely available in game, check
non-donators have same ability to get in-game items as donators do, check
 
So the way I see it, humanity, starter crates, briefcases, etc... are all just fine to BI.
 
Reserved slots, not ok based on that statement from BI. I cannot receive a reserved slot unless I pay for it.

Isnt that against the DayZ ToS? You know, share alike and so on.

Why do people give a sh*t about other people. Everyone here who complained about pay2win server. Are NOT even running Dedicated Servers and dose not even have a player base compared to the GSP ones. If a player wants to give money, Then thats HIS option. We dont force people to play on pay2win server. Plus if someone pay then he pays to keep that server up. And everyone else gets a great server to play on which stays online. And dose not post "Servers down due to host" topics. We dont lock players down to only our server. They can leave when they want. They can also pay if they want. Pay2Win only happends in FPS Games. Not arma. Just because i get a better gun to start off with dose not change the fact that am a shitty shot.
 
 
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You're talking about being unable to join because of reserved slots versus being unable to join because the server is full. The total slot count wouldn't have changed (nor would the fact that the server is still full) whether we had them or not, so this doesn't really make any sense as an argument.
 
 
Is the Red Cross suddenly a for-profit organization for selling t-shirts? Is it not possible to use reserved slots (or whatever scheme) as a means to fund costs and expansion without directly paying anybody off of it? I'm not saying you can't turn things into a business (profit directly, pay people, etc.) if you wanted to, but it doesn't have to be that way. The mere idea of offering any kind of reward for donations shouldn't put that into your head.
 
I mean hell, you can still pay people and not be a business. The people who write scripts and design websites for these communities can be paid out of donation money without the community itself needing to be a business of any kind, no?
 
Becoming a business would imply that your one of your primary interests is selling stuff to people and making yourself a paycheck. I'm not interested in doing that. That being said, some of them definitely do (which I still think is fine), and you have a point there.

ouch $500/player :D

I would like to offer an opposing point of view and this is NOT an attack on CPC at all, you just happen to start the topic :)
 
Anyone who runs a GSP-hosted server should not reply on the topic as they have no idea what it takes to run a community/multiple servers.
 
If you are talking about spending $30/mo for a server, cool, pay for it own your own, have fun with it, get some friends, and go loot!
 
If you start growing a community and start getting demand for more servers as your player base grows, the only logical step is to add dedicated hardware into the fold.
 
Now we all know how optimized A2 is to run  B) so getting hardware with a good CPU is critical to run multiple DayZ servers. 
 
Guess what? That hardware doesn't come cheap!
 
So bills start adding up, players want to help support the community, but they have come to expect something in return. That's where the donation perks come in to play.
 
Are there some server owners out there to blatantly make money, sure, but I doubt that's the case with most.
 
So do I have donator options for players in my community, you bet I do. Are they OP and ridiculous? Not by my standards (we don't have loadouts).
 
When you get to the point where you're spending $500+/mo to run servers, you need that community support or you will sink.
 
Bottom line is that if you give players a fair server to play on, with a great admin team, then you will get the support of your players and your community will grow.
 
Just some insight from a guy who runs DayZ servers  (flame suit on)  B)

This times one million.
 
I have ZERO issues with epoch devs stating that they want rules followed, it's their right to make any rules they want for their mod.
 
The issue I have is that the rules seem to only apply to some and not all.
 
Pick a side, either no perks, or allow perks, but don't say no perks then have your first official servers offer up donator perks.
 
I don't care what toejam does with his servers, if he doesn't want to offer perks, that's awesome, but so far he's the only host (Dave is ok in my book as well) that has went along with those rules.
 
So either let others that have perks host servers, or remove BMRF and Zombies.nu from your "official" servers so it's fair.
 

 
Their all access pass includes reserved slots, which is against BI tos :)

I would like to offer an opposing point of view and this is NOT an attack on CPC at all, you just happen to start the topic :)
 
Anyone who runs a GSP-hosted server should not reply on the topic as they have no idea what it takes to run a community/multiple servers.
 
If you are talking about spending $30/mo for a server, cool, pay for it own your own, have fun with it, get some friends, and go loot!
 
If you start growing a community and start getting demand for more servers as your player base grows, the only logical step is to add dedicated hardware into the fold.
 
Now we all know how optimized A2 is to run  B) so getting hardware with a good CPU is critical to run multiple DayZ servers. 
 
Guess what? That hardware doesn't come cheap!
 
So bills start adding up, players want to help support the community, but they have come to expect something in return. That's where the donation perks come in to play.
 
Are there some server owners out there to blatantly make money, sure, but I doubt that's the case with most.
 
So do I have donator options for players in my community, you bet I do. Are they OP and ridiculous? Not by my standards (we don't have loadouts).
 
When you get to the point where you're spending $500+/mo to run servers, you need that community support or you will sink.
 
Bottom line is that if you give players a fair server to play on, with a great admin team, then you will get the support of your players and your community will grow.
 
Just some insight from a guy who runs DayZ servers  (flame suit on)  B)

I mean for one, the DayZ-related ToS they have isn't even related to A3 Epoch in the first place. I can't see anything in the A3 ToS that mentions it. Reserved slots (especially with the way we have it implemented where they don't kick anyone) aren't pay to play or pay to win. We'd also have them anyway for admins, which is obviously fine.
 
It's far different from selling in-game items (or any in-game advantage) or running an actual store. The reserved slots system I have literally benefits everyone involved. We pay for our servers, admins get in when needed, players get in if they really want to. It's a finite resource, it's not like we can give it to everyone. If we didn't have them, the people who didn't donate still wouldn't be getting in because the server would cap. I run the server cap 5 higher than I normally would because those slots never completely fill.
 
Can anyone think of a single valid reason why this is a bad thing other than "money is bad". Because if you want to take that route, the advertisements for sites that actually commercialize Arma on the front page aren't any different.
 
By the way, I don't give a shit about making money off of this. The reserved slots earn just enough to help me pay the $200 server bill in a way that is fair for everyone.
 
Anyway, instead of arguing, how about we propose an actual solution:
 
Don't allow in-game perks or advantages (for the A3 Epoch server specifically, if a community does it for other mods that is fine), and make reserved slots an exception. Don't allow anything that violates the ToS directly.
 
This should make everyone happy, or atleast as happy as they're going to get.

This times one million.
 
I have ZERO issues with epoch devs stating that they want rules followed, it's their right to make any rules they want for their mod.
 
The issue I have is that the rules seem to only apply to some and not all.
 
Pick a side, either no perks, or allow perks, but don't say no perks then have your first official servers offer up donator perks.
 
I don't care what toejam does with his servers, if he doesn't want to offer perks, that's awesome, but so far he's the only host (Dave is ok in my book as well) that has went along with those rules.
 
So either let others that have perks host servers, or remove BMRF and Zombies.nu from your "official" servers so it's fair.
 

 
Their all access pass includes reserved slots, which is against BI tos :)

The big problem here is, communities are offering perks that the Epoch devs have endorsed yet they chastise anyone not in the "Epoch" club.

I would like to offer an opposing point of view and this is NOT an attack on CPC at all, you just happen to start the topic :)
 
Anyone who runs a GSP-hosted server should not reply on the topic as they have no idea what it takes to run a community/multiple servers.
 
If you are talking about spending $30/mo for a server, cool, pay for it own your own, have fun with it, get some friends, and go loot!
 
If you start growing a community and start getting demand for more servers as your player base grows, the only logical step is to add dedicated hardware into the fold.
 
Now we all know how optimized A2 is to run  B) so getting hardware with a good CPU is critical to run multiple DayZ servers. 
 
Guess what? That hardware doesn't come cheap!
 
So bills start adding up, players want to help support the community, but they have come to expect something in return. That's where the donation perks come in to play.
 
Are there some server owners out there to blatantly make money, sure, but I doubt that's the case with most.
 
So do I have donator options for players in my community, you bet I do. Are they OP and ridiculous? Not by my standards (we don't have loadouts).
 
When you get to the point where you're spending $500+/mo to run servers, you need that community support or you will sink.
 
Bottom line is that if you give players a fair server to play on, with a great admin team, then you will get the support of your players and your community will grow.
 
Just some insight from a guy who runs DayZ servers  (flame suit on)  B)

How exactly is this considered piracy when BI themselves say it's allowed.
 
Once again let me post their TOS
 
 
Please read that VERY carefully.
 
Donations are voluntary, check
Items are all freely available in game, check
non-donators have same ability to get in-game items as donators do, check
 
So the way I see it, humanity, starter crates, briefcases, etc... are all just fine to BI.
 
Reserved slots, not ok based on that statement from BI. I cannot receive a reserved slot unless I pay for it.

So the automatic assumption is that all server owners that accept donations and have perks have "monitized" the game and our pockets are filled with all kinds of money? LOL, got it.

Everybody chose to trust DotJosh with commander. 
 
What if he updates for steam and there's CCG branding on it :D
 
OH THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES!

Pretty sure that's from the Sahrani map changes that nonov did.

Why would you use Blur in the first place :D

SPOILER TAGS BRO!

Highest CPU clock you can get.

Why would you use Blur in the first place :D

I prefer mine :D
 

most of the people that get the update first are actually the testers of it. Some times it's a good thing to be on that side, some times it's really bad :D

add it to the DZE_safevehicles array in variables.sqf

334D is working great for me