insertcoins Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Actually it is. If he is taking donations, we expect him to stay up to date, or stop offering commander. I expect dayz commander to stay up to date with the current build at all times. Now we are dealing with almost 2 weeks after the update. I say its time to get moving. Actually it is not. He is under no obligation to maintain anything. He's not under contract. That's the whole "donation" idea. You can expect whatever you like, doesn't mean he is under any obligation. Even if he never ever ever updates, he deserves past and future donations for his work provided up until now. Thousands of people enjoyed his work on a day to day basis. hambeast, Soul and Kenturrac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorman Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Coins, are u related to him? He has abandoned his team (the player base) there is no I in team, he deserves nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertcoins Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 No, not in any way related or affiliated. It just boggles my mind how entitled people become after making a donation. I get it's annoying that something stops working (for you), but that does not mean the creator owes you in any way. Uro, hambeast and Soul 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDeadThanZed Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Any donations that you people made to him probably helped pay for his expenses for one month. I made a donation to the Epoch team many months ago, but if they stopped development today, I wouldn't rant and cry and say I donated so they have to keep making it. If you were a chief investor in his resources and you were spending $100 a month on a dedicated server for him, I could see you being upset, but if you donated once, don't cry and just use the other launcher. It now has favorites. :) hambeast and Soul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creep Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I guess he is just in trouble with one problem: As you can see DayZ Commander loads up every server that messages to Gamespay means beta <=112555 DayzLauncher load up every server using beta > 112555 (125402+) I guess Dotjosh tries hardly to get them both loading in, I just wonder why he just offers a completely new one to us or adds the decission for this versions on startup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calamity Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 2 weeks and still my server is EMPTY :( I have had lotza time to add scripts though... no players to ask to log for a restart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorman Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Luckily we've retained our core player base but our server population is down badly, mod will die soon unless their is a unity in launchers ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHound Posted July 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 I guess he is just in trouble with one problem: As you can see DayZ Commander loads up every server that messages to Gamespay means beta <=112555 DayzLauncher load up every server using beta > 112555 (125402+) I guess Dotjosh tries hardly to get them both loading in, I just wonder why he just offers a completely new one to us or adds the decission for this versions on startup I'm not 100% positive what you mean by this but to be clear DayzLauncher is not made by dotjosh and was made as a replacement in case dotjosh didn't update DayZ Commander. Also BetterDeadThanZed his expenses for running DayZ Commander were his choice, he chose to host the mods himself instead of using torrents. I'm sure he has the technical ability to integrate torrent downloading into DayZ Commander which would lead to better download speeds and no expenses for him. (Please correct me if I'm wrong to assume using torrents would be free as noone is hosting the files/paying bandwidth fees) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombiegirl Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Actually it is not. He is under no obligation to maintain anything. He's not under contract. That's the whole "donation" idea. You can expect whatever you like, doesn't mean he is under any obligation. Even if he never ever ever updates, he deserves past and future donations for his work provided up until now. Thousands of people enjoyed his work on a day to day basis. Well no Insert , hes under no legal obligation at all. I donated because I loved what he did, I expected, like in every update for him to be on top of things, like he always has been. So yes when you provide an expectation of quality, and you accept donations, and then drop the ball, then sorry, you may not be legally obligated, but morally is quite another thing. Or just give up, and pass it to someone else who knows what they are doing. No harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombiegirl Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 If commander was going to be updated it would have been by now macca's the only option we have tbh I wish Maca would write a really nice program for this. He definitely has the talent, and it would be well received. I love his version now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr1nk Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 In this context, I don't think there should be any expectations when it comes to a donation. It's not like you're purchasing a warranty from the guy, it's meant to be an appreciation for the work that's been done. It would have been ethically questionable if DZC came out last month and he was soliciting donations, but it's been around for a long time now. The only thing I don't agree with is the total silence. If he doesn't want to update, that's cool, just post it somewhere so people know. MGT and Incar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorman Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Agrees ^^ I've banned donators before now, we make it clear donations are exactly that & whilst appreciated they don't buy any crying rights of any kind. Clearly he's abandoned the project & something needs to be done to rectify, I see nothing constructive here other than the macca launcher, why is everyone sitting around with thumbs up asses waiting for what? I've ploughed countless hours into my server & have some fantastic players/builders come through, hell some bases are 9 months old, without a resolution the mod will die as players move to other games etc, I don't want to shut her down but another month of this & what will be the point of running & paying for a server? Small servers should not be punished because of this fark up, the #1 slots have only remained populated because they refuse to update, the more I think about this whole mess the more I think it's all a conspiracy of some kind lol. Either way if nothing is done soon the worse it will get & that will be a tremendous shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3cuk Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Even if Josh decided to update any time soon, he sadly has proven to be unreliable and really should not be relied upon again. I'm not saying DZC should never be used again when fixed, but at least it should be managed by a few if he is not willing to go public.Right now we need a launcher that works out of the box and doesn't need manual changes. I am reserved about the maca one simply because it's not open source (even seems like a one man job) and when he decides the hell with it we would be in the same mess as we are now, apart from that the launcher is shaping up really nice and is what i am recommending to the few players we've got on our server.I've only signed up here a short while ago, so i don't know anything about the history between maca and the owners here, and frankly, i don't care. But you guys should sort it out, cause the potential of his launcher seems great and really could help the whole community move on and get past this nonsense. All we really need is a decent working launcher and a few popular youtubers and we should be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cen Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Agrees ^^ I've banned donators before now, we make it clear donations are exactly that & whilst appreciated they don't buy any crying rights of any kind. Clearly he's abandoned the project & something needs to be done to rectify, I see nothing constructive here other than the macca launcher, why is everyone sitting around with thumbs up asses waiting for what? I've ploughed countless hours into my server & have some fantastic players/builders come through, hell some bases are 9 months old, without a resolution the mod will die as players move to other games etc, I don't want to shut her down but another month of this & what will be the point of running & paying for a server? Small servers should not be punished because of this fark up, the #1 slots have only remained populated because they refuse to update, the more I think about this whole mess the more I think it's all a conspiracy of some kind lol. Either way if nothing is done soon the worse it will get & that will be a tremendous shame. Update your signature if your server isn't down. If you are using steam change it to the steam query port that you have in your config.cfg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDeadThanZed Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Update your signature if your server isn't down. If you are using steam change it to the steam query port that you have in your config.cfg He should also fix it on Gametracker so it shows up. They fixed the problem of the server not working on gametracker about a week and a half ago. calamity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorman Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I'm making a point by not updating my sig...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterDeadThanZed Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I'm making a point by not updating my sig...... Doesn't really matter I guess since I believe the majority of people on this forum are sever owners and no one is going to join a server because someone has their gametracker banner in their signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cen Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 lol worst point ever :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorman Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Cen, eat me ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cen Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 nom nom :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoxSicarius Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Hey guys, I hear a lot of talk about maca's launcher. What is the best one currently out? I know there are a good 8 or more out there right now and I am jumping ship on commander entirely. I just want the best one for now; I don't mind installing a different one down the line (I have no idea why people refuse to do that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millasaurus Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 I would say that maca's is probably the best for now, but it may die when/if DayZ Commander gets updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHound Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yea maca's is coming along nicely, there was also an update today that removed the CCG branding from the about page so I believe that means we can advertise it here now. Not 100% though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGT Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Does DZL list all servers or only ones that are registered with Maca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHound Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 All servers running the steam versions (125548), my test server appeared almost immediately after starting it up and joining it. Plus I highly doubt 1,000 servers registered with him individually. Also I'm pretty sure these programs just use the list generated by the reporting IPs in our config.cfg files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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